Talk of God lands local preachers in the pokey

dkw12002 said on November 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM

There is apparently a fine line between "good news" and threatening behavior. You would think these holy men should think it was divine providence to be put in jail with rapists, pedophiles, and the like. Isn't that who they are trying to preach to anyway? These people are basically crazy and talking to themselves anyway, so I just smile, shout halleluja, praise the lord, right back at em and walk on. I never give them any money though cause that only encourages them.

sojourn said on November 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM

I loved that these pastors were doing a Great Job in spreading the Good Word. They Should sue the city of denying their RIGHTs. We should all be against homosexuality. It is NOT natural.

sojourn said on November 19, 2009 at 7:29 PM

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." All homosexual behavior is sinful, regardless of the nature of the relationship. Homosexuality is a chosen, unnatural, abnormal, changeable, and perverted lifestyle, which is hated by God.

sojourn said on November 19, 2009 at 7:30 PM

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." All homosexual behavior is sinful, regardless of the nature of the relationship. Homosexuality is a chosen, unnatural, abnormal, changeable, and perverted lifestyle, which is hated by God.

sojourn said on November 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM

The homosexual is just feeling bad and taking his/ or her problem out into the world because of bad experiences and the unknowing why and how this could have happen to him or her. Mainly blaming God , instead of blaming the assailants, their so called friend, or themselves for giving in to a horrible choice. Now the homosexual is feeling there is no choice and that is why the homosexual tells a person that is his choice. Believing it is his or her free will , but in fact rooted from an episode, an event, or from environment.

sojourn said on November 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM

People should close their eyes and leave the media blist of homsexuality and freedom sex. Go back to a pure young heart and find the truth. and imagine When you see two male dogs trying to have sex , we laugh and call it a stupid dog. This is NOT a NATURAL ACT. NATURE DICTATES THAT LAW. Now the immoral. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God ? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God ." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarily. UNDER NO circumstances can they be approved.

jttnministries said on November 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM

This is Jeremy - youtube.com/jttnministries - and I would like to make several comments here concerning dkw12002's response. 1) I've never asked for money or solicited in any form from while preaching downtown. In fact, if someone ever tried to give me money, I would try to talk them out of it! 2) I've had several men come out of the Bonham or walk by in tears and thank me for my preaching. Several have been convicted of their sin and I have had the wonderful privilege to minister the grace of God to them 3) Preaching the Word of God by telling people that God desires to forgive them and set them free from all sin is not at all "threatening." My preaching centers on the mercy and grace of God offered through Christ. Jesus will forgive all who will repent, but the reality of hell remains for those who refuse. I love all the people of our city and I bless you in Jesus' name. Thank God for the rights given to us in the USA that were defended by countless lives given in our history

someone_else said on November 20, 2009 at 12:10 AM

These guys both attended the 4 year program at International Bible College http://www.ibctx.org/ . I would hardly call them crazy, In fact I think they may just care enough to not want people to burn in hell for all of eternity. In case you weren't familiar with hell, I suggest you look at this wikipedia article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell ) , it spells it out for the uneducated. Perhaps you should try going to bible college to learn at our lord, Jesus Christ, who died on the cross to save you from your sins and give you eternal life.

guest173 said on November 20, 2009 at 12:36 AM

I do think though, that police may just be trying to keep the peace, because talk of hell can be provocative and people at the clubs might try to pick a fight for fun, some of the homeless around san antonio have been abused or killed just because they were there, but I understand the balance of picking up the cross, personally I just give some christian literature and prayers when I can, talking a lot of bible things does lead to lots of fighting, but jesus teaches about all that too

knowledgeispower said on November 20, 2009 at 12:42 AM

kens5's endless kissing up to superstition aside, the bigotry of junk-food christians is apparently with us forever. they always cling to the tiresome idiocies of leviticus, most of which they ignore, such as killing your kids for disobedience, killing those who eat of the pig, and on and on. they carefully ignore the presence of david and jonathan (whose "love surpasseth the love of women" or of ruth and naomi ("whither thou goest i will go also") these characters were written into the bible long ago to provide inclusion for homosexuals, who have always been a major part of human development. homophobic nonsense from tiny-minded people like these do great damage to an already damaged and tattered joke of a religion. and kens5's constant attention to christian con-men, chupacabras, and a never-ending stream of jesuses on tacos and treestumps simply make it more difficult for those of us who find such "news" silly to keep trying to watch your newscast.

knowledgeispower said on November 20, 2009 at 12:43 AM

kens5's endless kissing up to superstition aside, the bigotry of junk-food christians is apparently with us forever. they always cling to the tiresome idiocies of leviticus, most of which they ignore, such as killing your kids for disobedience, killing those who eat of the pig, and on and on. they carefully ignore the presence of david and jonathan (whose "love surpasseth the love of women" or of ruth and naomi ("whither thou goest i will go also") these characters were written into the bible long ago to provide inclusion for homosexuals, who have always been a major part of human development. homophobic nonsense from tiny-minded people like these do great damage to an already damaged and tattered joke of a religion. and kens5's constant attention to christian con-men, chupacabras, and a never-ending stream of jesuses on tacos and treestumps simply make it more difficult for those of us who find such "news" silly to keep trying to watch your newscast.

knowledgeispower said on November 20, 2009 at 12:47 AM

kens5's endless kissing up to superstition aside, the bigotry of junk-food christians is apparently with us forever. they always cling to the tiresome idiocies of leviticus, most of which they ignore, such as killing your kids for disobedience, killing those who eat of the pig, and on and on. they carefully ignore the presence of david and jonathan (whose "love surpasseth the love of women" or of ruth and naomi ("whither thou goest i will go also") these characters were written into the bible long ago to provide inclusion for homosexuals, who have always been a major part of human development. homophobic nonsense from tiny-minded people like these do great damage to an already damaged and tattered joke of a religion. and kens5's constant attention to christian con-men, chupacabras, and a never-ending stream of jesuses on tacos and treestumps simply make it more difficult for those of us who find such "news" silly to keep trying to watch your newscast.

wifeofapreacher said on November 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Well, it looks like my first comments didn't make it on the message board. Basically, I was going to say that I am proud of Jeremy and Todd!

homie said on November 20, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Why don't these bums preach in front of a catholic church? Stats show that at least 80% of priests are homosexuals. And 20% are pedofiles. Duh.

bystander said on November 20, 2009 at 1:29 AM

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bystander said on November 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

I work downtown & see these 2 preachers regularly. Freedom of Speech & Religion are rights, but harassment of others isn't. If these 2 men were really "talking beautifully w/others about the goodness of Christ" that would be fine & good. What I have seen though is these 2 yell, scream and get in peoples faces, they will follow people around (usually openly gays) yelling at them that they are condemed by God and going to hell. Often on Sat. nights I see them stand by the fire station yelling at people going into the Bonham Club that sodomy & adultry is a sin and that God will foresake them & they will all burn in hell...These 2 aren't spreading the "good news of Christ" they are forceful & abusive...

bystander said on November 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM

cont.........Now I believe in God, I was raised Christian. Yet to see these 2 embarrasses me to say that I believe in the basis of what they are screaming. They have taken money from people at times. This is not God's love they preach. They embarrass me to say that I'm a Christian when I see & hear them.

jttnministries said on November 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Bystandar, You are blatantly telling LIES and you know it. I've never taken money from anyone there, nor would I want to. I've NEVER "got in someone's face" and have stayed on the Firehouse side of the street. I've NEVER followed anyone around. Yes, I have unashamedly preached against drunkenness, adultery, divorce, fornication, theft, lying, homosexuality and all sin. Anyone can watch my videos of preaching at the Bonham. They are available online and show that my message is centered around the fact that God desires all people to be saved and will forgive anyone who will repent of their sins and trust Jesus Christ alone. If someone rejects the love and mercy of God by choosing to continue on in sin, the fact remains that they will face hell. That is why I preach all over our city to give people the opportunity to be saved from their sins and be born again, namely, because I love people. -Jeremy

archangel said on November 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Since we are quoting bible passages, here's also another: Leviticus 19:17. The two men have every right to preach as they chose where ever they want as long as they aren't causing a commotion that would put people in danger. They have every right to put their own lives in jeopardy, they don't have the right do put other people in the same risk. While it is honorable for them to preach the word of the Lord, there are better ways to get your message out than to be standing outside of an establishment and yell at the patrons that they are going to go to Hell if they don't repent for their sins. It's interesting that gays are the first ones who are judged and are quickly told they are going to Hell for their sins. Yet, turn on the news and politicians are committing sins against humanity. I don't see people like these two gentlemen standing outside their homes and yelling that they're going to Hell if they don't repent for what they've done.

crazy51 said on November 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM

If you want to preach religion, go find a church and do it there. We do not need you standing on the street preaching to tourists or locals. They will go to church if they want to hear it. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure I will be in HELL and I bet money I will NOT be alone.

jttnministries said on November 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Archangel, I've preached all over this city. The attempt to link this with some kind of singling out of homosexuals is ridiculous. Even a casual browse through my videos shows me preaching at many locations across south Texas including at the Alamo, the Bonham, Texas State University San Marcos, UT Austin, etc etc.

cbarron said on November 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM

i am not a religious man and it has been years since i have picked up a bible, but i have a lot of respect for the pastors in this case. they were standing up for what they believe in and if that meant going to jail then so be it. a lot of people will be like yeah they did it for media attention or whatever...that is seriously doubtful...they did it to spread the word of god and to prove a point to the s.a.p.d. that his word cannot be silenced. congratulations to both of these pastors and i hope that you continue to do what is right in god's eyes for you have already been rewarded in heaven